An overview of the problem light guns have with the modern television set, and a couple of ways to overcome it.
NES LCD Mod:
Tomee Zapp Gun:
LightGunVerter
Modern Mallard Kickstarter: (unsuccessful)
It’s a big topic, and there’s a lot of little details that I had to leave out to keep it simple. For instance, there’s really a lot of possibilities for how LCD and other types of modern TVs operate, but I tried to give an overview of the most basic and common cases here. There are also more unusual light gun detection techniques for NES software (e.g. Action 53’s zapper games) that can’t really be covered by lag compensation. Feel free to discuss these in the comments.
Chapters:
0:00 The latency issue
1:49 The frequency issue
4:08 Previous solutions
5:14 A new solution
@animeanji2465
08.05.2024The Zap gun doesn't work on my LCD TV š Is there anything else I need to do with it?
@rayqusa
08.05.2024the backsound like coffin sound
@mitch6160
08.05.2024Hoganās Alley was better
@GamersHaven
08.05.2024Okay so spell it out for me like I'm an idiot.
I know I need the Tomee Light Gun but what also do I need and are there any tutorials online?
@Brd-wv9io
08.05.2024I hate it when people do ASMR shit in non-ASMR videos, it doesn't work on everyone and it weirds me out. I came to watch a video about the NES Zapper, not some guy creepily whispering into his mic like a weeb trying to talk to a girl. Keep ASMR separate from the regular videos, these are really good otherwise.
@cincodenada
08.05.2024Thank you for this succinct and informative video, it saved me from going down this rabbit hole myself š I was sitting here thinking "so I know about the timing issue, but if you hacked the ROM, or even had the emulator just save state and rewind…" and so I'm glad to find out that a) there's another issue involved and b) this problem is thoroughly solved already!
@moshdang
08.05.2024Very cool. Has anyone worked on snes patches for lethal enforcers and super scope.
@old-952
08.05.2024Mine worked with no moding
@ryanwhite4186
08.05.2024Like most videos on YouTube concerning something simple, and a consumer looking for an answer. As always you make something you could answer in two minutes, and drag it out for seven.
Thanks for the waste of timeš¤š¼
@CarnivoreConservative
08.05.2024Am i understanding even with that zapp gun you need to modify software?
@blakewhittington4336
23.04.2024Thought my Zapper was broken
Now I need an old TV I just threw one out if I had only known.
@misfittoy6687
23.04.2024I wonder if you could load the lcdmod rom to a nes classic and use a wii 2 nes controller adapter and play duck hunt on a nes classic??
@Vammmpeeer
23.04.2024Wait so you bought a new gun and what did you have to do to the game cartridge? I'm so lost lol
@DeanofSmoking
23.04.2024cool
@Checco105
23.04.2024On the description it now shows another gun (Light Gun) and not the one showed in the video (Zapp Gun).
Will the "Light Gun" still work (with the modded rom) on a flat screen TV?
@michael-johnbrown2881
23.04.2024It's alittle controversial but a other way you can get duck hunt to work on a flatscreen tv is if you have a Wii with emulators download the duck hunt Rom and use the Wii remote as a zapper it feels weird but it works
@masterchririus6539
23.04.2024Whats the range on that?
@soil2416
23.04.2024Is it possible to do a very easy and free fix for this using the crt zapper?
@lelsewherelelsewhere9435
23.04.2024What about using the active shutter eyeglasses of 3d tvs as an added filter "create" faster "flickering"?
@yashy2x
23.04.2024Instant sub ā¤ļø
@axellitoral1503
22.04.2024Is this mod works with a videoproyector?
@cameron6262
22.04.2024I have a lightgunverter and it works well. Wish the setup was less messy but better than nothing. Hopefully we will see a good solution for all older systems
@Gabriel1987ni
22.04.2024It was easier for me to get an old CRT TV, i live in the end of the world and for me it's cheaper. Full Retro.
@NomadTheProtogen
22.04.2024That Wii remote adaption seems to me like all one would need to do is make a ātranslatorā for the zapper. Something that plugs into the end of the zapper but looks exactly like the original, just making the zapper look slightly longer. As for power, those batteries used in the Dreamcast VMUās would be good candidates.
I personally prefer finding a way to play original carts with a original zapper or a quality replica that gives the same feel of the original. Instead of modifying an original cart, use something that hooks up to the cart like the Game Genie. Maybe playing around with the TV settings can help.
@bovinepro8075
22.04.2024wow and to think i was considering buying a CRTV. now i will just get this hyperkin thing and emulate it off my switch or steamdeck
@michaelgarvins8967
22.04.2024Iāve got a question. Thank you for this video. It appears the Zapper only works for Retron 1,2, and 3. Is there a solution to work on Retron 5? I tried this gun and itās not working.
@AlinDarklight
22.04.2024I don't think my tv is THAT modern..but i will test the older tv in my house,if not,then maybe my gun is broken :c
@kennynyc1555
22.04.2024hmm this is great info , recently bought 2 nes from ebay and i thought guns dont work ! this could be the situation
@johnav8rflys
22.04.2024Have you tried this on the Hyperken Retron 5. Did it work? If so how did you get it to work?
@RedRanger2001
22.04.2024(sigh)
Brook Wingman SNES and the Cabela Dangerous Hunts 2011 gun.
@Sufiley
21.04.2024bob
@foxc8646
21.04.2024Great video. Weird music choiceš
@Thrakus
21.04.2024Is it a myth that early lcd tv did work? there was vids of people getting it to work with game mod
@2kBofFun
21.04.2024The sample-and-hold infographic is not very accurate. It would not make sense to wait and write the whole image at once. So that does not happen, it would demand very weird display panel wiring to instantly feed 6 MB of pixel data into all those cells while the rest of the 16 milliseconds it can take a nap. The pixels memory does follow the scanlines, but it keeps each pixel active till it gets an update. The delay comes from another problem with LCD cells: overshoot. Compare it to an elevator. If you want an elevator to go from floor 0 to 255 in a cycle, it is no problem, it just hits the ceiling and stops immediately. But if you want it to go from floor 100 to 105, it needs way more precise control. It is the reason why you get horrible ghosting with grey-on-grey moving objects, but not with white on black staff rolls or such.
@Lorenzo-yc7zh
21.04.2024You should try to do the same type of thing to genesis light gun games, I would pay legit money for a patch for those and master system games, specifically missle defense 3-D
@k9champ202
21.04.2024Malcolm Gladwell is that you?
@matthewjoycechannel8227
21.04.2024They need to put duck hunt on the switch
@oldskola3634
21.04.2024What cartoon is that? 1:00
@fintonmainz7845
21.04.2024Buy an old television. Problem solved.
@gaz312
21.04.2024Shame a modern a Tv couldnāt give out a crt filter the gun could read.
@normcaissie5598
20.04.2024Ummm "This product will not work on LCD, LED, and most modern HDTV television sets. "
@degeneratelife2668
20.04.2024This dude is gunna kill somebody.
@thisisnotachannel
20.04.2024I still wonder why Nintendo hasn't simply manufactured and sold their loyal fans a light gun for the NES that will work with an HD television… They would surely sell themselves.
@joshpoppe1309
20.04.2024Would this work on a new Samsung LED smart tv?
@alinasir-py4np
20.04.2024Forget 8k I just want a tv to play house of the dead on
@JasonBay-RealEstateInvesting
20.04.2024I want to play duck hunt. I want to show my son duck hunt but unfortunately after watching your video, I still donāt know what to do.
@MrGTheSpiritAvenger
20.04.2024Sinden, Gun4ir and Aimtrack guns are all good alternatives to play lightgun games on modern display for pc however if youāre not playing on an emulator and got the og nes you gotta get a crt š
@Angelitoluky_Official733
20.04.2024But I don't have the cassette, I have it built into the console
@gulgul2006
20.04.2024Brad, by FAR your video is the absolute best on this topic!! Obviously you take an engineer approach and that's why. I am one too and so it's to the point, clear and informative. I was wasting so much time on the web trying to get my zapper to work and you're the only person to point out that the original NES zapper will NEVER work because of a physical restriction. (You found out directly the hard way and did francis bacon trial/discovery)
SO thank you for that!! Once I realized I was wasting my time I have everything set up (The nes mod page is not really clear on the source rom required but thankfully he did provide a checksum so EVENTUALLY I found the proper rom to patch)
So I am asking this favor, do you have any info or links. etc. to a workbook to upgrade the LED on the original NES zapper?
I figure I could get what I need from Greybar but I am not going to "Guess" at the A-Z (Basically convert a NES to a Tomee diode wise)
for example is it just a matter of the diode or do I need to get a board or modify the in-series board ? etc.
I could take the guts out of a tomee and put it into my old shells but that's a bit of an expensive way when I have the tools and iron to do the upgrade to the existing NES branded hardware.
BTW Props on the home-made gunverter!! Obviously that is really the best solution (if he does a port for all consoles) as it's a physical bridge so it would work with every game without mod and every console without mod of the game itself.
If we can present a large enough presence or get a crowdfund going maybe start a project to do full turn-key kits.
Basically a gun that has the "Wii" hardware inside of it, a box/adapter that plugs into the console and sits in front of the TV (like the Wii sensor) and boom. We just mass market them, maybe even sharktank it. but anyone who would fund production would need to know it's going to sell.. I am content with crowdfunding, getting a hopefully large list of buyers and then just make-to-order ship them.
I have two zappers, so I will take one, gut it, gut my Wii remote and get the parts for a sensor. Check out the source at that openNES page and make my own just to have it (a Wii embedded zapper) and then if it is easy enough and successful… push for the crowdfund route
Let me know your thoughts and thank you for you forthcoming support on this!!
By the way your speaking voice is IDENTICAL to JP!!!
https://youtu.be/z0O_VYcsIk8?si=GXHiSwQeWh4VWBhx
@gulgul2006
20.04.2024your speaking voice is IDENTICAL to JP!!!
https://youtu.be/z0O_VYcsIk8?si=GXHiSwQeWh4VWBhx